Mahmood Mamdani |
Leading
political philosopher Mahmood Mamdani says the government’s ban on the
political pressure group Activists for Change (A4C) is naïve and likely
to drive opposition underground. He spoke to The Independent’s Andrew
Mwenda and Mubatsi A. Habati.
The government has banned the civic pressure group known as Activists for Change. What do you think of this development?
I think
A4C after that have been singularly unimaginative. They have persisted
with the one imaginative idea they had, even after it ran out of steam.
Any protest movement cannot just be a result of an idea, no matter how
brilliant, inserted from the outside. It has to connect organically with
what is going on in society and what’s going on in society is the
protest of primary school teachers, retail traders, nodding disease in
northern Uganda; there are lots of issues. But the A4C have not even
tried to address this. It has been a top-down effort which shows a lack
of connection. It shows the absence of deep organisation and deep study.
But it
makes no sense for the government to ban them. A more effective way to
deal with them would have been a permissive response. You only needed
to let them continue and they would run out of steam. Instead, the
government is falling back on a colonial law, showing that it too has
run out of steam.
People in
government think if A4C is in the streets, stirring up trouble, they may
over time be joined by those who may give them organisation, strategy
and a message that can connect them to these other social forces.
Government may be thinking that it’s better to neutralise them early.
Let me
suggest a different way of thinking about it: if you have an opposition
which has a message, strategy and addresses real issues in society, that
is the kind of challenge every government should wish for because it
would steer you in the direction of reform that would strengthen you.
The idea of a world without opposition is naive.
But that
hypothesis seems to be too idealisitic and out of sync with human
nature. No one wants to nourish opposition, however responsible.
When you
are in power you should be open to new ideas, not be closed to it. By
the choices you make, you can shape the kind of opposition you face:
whether open or underground. You would rather have open opposition than
an underground one. The era of single party states is past. The armed
struggle in Luwero was too expensive in terms of human lives and time
lost; we should have learnt lessons from it. You can’t have a society as
big and complex as this driven by a single idea behind a single man.
There are many ideas and there will be many contending on the basis of
those ideas. The point is to define the parameters within which you can
compete, not to do away with competition.
What do you think of a wider opposition in Uganda beyond A4C?
The
opposition here has been narrowly confined to contending for positions
and power. There is a failure to address broader social issues that
concern people. You need to convince an ordinary person who doesn’t have
political aspirations that politics is going to change his or her life.
Otherwise why should they get involved?
How do you do this?
It
requires people who have a finger on the pulse of society. You need to
understand not only how different sections of society define their needs
but also which sectors of society are beginning to show some level of
organisation in response to these issues. Ugandan society is not just
inert, waiting for an external stimulus; there are demands, there is
organisation at different levels.
Why do you think the opposition has not seen these challenges?
They are
too narrowly focused on capturing power. It’s a highly corrupted society
and the opposition has shown itself being unable to withstand the
corruption of entering political offices. We have seen the opposition
being corrupted in parliament. What will happen when they get to the
presidency? If you can succumb to the prospect of, say Shs 20 million,
in parliament and vote yes when asked to do so, what are going to do
when the stakes are higher? To be sure, it is a mixed picture. The
opposition as an opposition has not quite found its way. There are
individuals who stand out against the culture of corruption
individually. You find courageous people like Besigye (FDC president,
Kizza) for example. This kind of courage and integrity wins support for
some time. This has been enough to win him admiration and followers in
wider circles. But leadership needs to go with organisation, without it
integrity and courage will not have results.
The
Afrobarometer survey shows that over the last one year people who say
NRM is their party of choice have reduced from 62% to 47% (a 15%
decrease). Yet those who now support FDC have increased from 13 to 15 %.
UPC decreased from 3% to 2%. So you see a huge decline on the part of
the NRM but it is not reflected in the numbers joining the opposition
parties. What does it tell us?
It’s a
dangerous signal for Uganda. It means most people are becoming
disillusioned with politics. It means there is no organised and
credible alternative. This is a recipe for unpredictable events that can
be triggered by large scale frustration.
Do
you see a section of Ugandans outside of partisan politics that stands
in defence of particular values and principles and can therefore act as a
restraint on the behaviour of partisan warriors on either side?
It’d be
very interesting to see if there is a movement whose objective is not
political power but social change. If there was a movement here that
would act as a constraint by demanding those in power to prioritise
particular social needs. It would act as a restraint on those
contending for political power. It’d be a movement that would renounce
political power in the interest of social change. It would be a Gandhi
or Martin Luther-like movement. It would be the direct opposite of going
to the bush. It would bring Ugandan society a long way away from the
politics of destruction. But we don’t have such a movement. The kind of
social movements that existed in the period of nationalism; membership
based movements like the Cooperative movement, trade union movements,
drivers association, traders association, women’s associations, youth
associations, religious associations, etc. even if leaders rigged
elections, there were members to respond.
But we have civil society now, don’t we?
We have a
civil society that is mainly defined by NGOs. The NGOs are not
member-based movements; they are organised like so many philanthropic
bodies. They have no members, only beneficiaries. They do charity work
and respond to those who pay them. They are antidemocratic in their
structure. Their financial accountability is upwards to those who fund
them not downwards to those who benefit from their work. So we have
turned things upside down, there is no democratic civil society here.
Just look around at who is involved in the movement for social change:
it is membership-based organizations like primary school teachers,
KACITA, even UTODA, whatever you may think of it. Where are the NGOs?
Is a Martin Luther King, Mahtma Gandhi-like movement possible in Uganda and why?
One cannot
say it is not possible. There appears to be a consensus in Ugandan
society that armed struggle is not permissible. But even if armed
struggle was successful it would not solve the problem. Because we have
seen that armed struggle delivers monopoly of power in the hands of
those who fought and there is agreement that monopoly of power is part
of the problem, not the solution. Any solution requires that there
should be room for opposition within the political system. But beyond
that, the political should be constrained by the social within society;
the large masses of people should have a say in defining the priorities
of a government in power.
Why are there few, if any, membership organisations in this country? What happened to them?
One thing
that happened to them is liberalisation. These market based reforms were
so extreme they dissolved the cooperatives. The largest unions were
done away with. Where is the union of Railway workers, textile workers,
etc? The de-industrialisation of Uganda was the result of the period of
liberalisation.
Turning
to economic issues now, how have you personally felt the impact of
inflation in this country for the last one year and what do you think
are its implications on the economy?
The crisis
has eroded the purchasing power of fixed income earners. It has pushed
people to look for incomes outside their stable jobs. It will push those
who don’t feel morally constrained into corruption. As you read
newspapers everyday you begin to realise that there seems to be a
widespread consensus that only a fool in government will not be corrupt.
It has reached such a level that it is eroding all institutions step by
step.
Why does the Uganda political class seem far removed from the concerns of the majority who are fixed income earners?
When the
NRM came into power it had the ambition of changing the nature of the
state and governance. It wanted to dismantle this unaccountable
government of chiefs and it replaced them with resistance committees. In
short, it championed a participatory notion as opposed to
representative notion of government. The challenge was to combine the
two, not to see them as alternatives, even opposites. NRM has had a
problem doing so. Multiparty democracy and vibrant media are mainly an
urban affair. In rural Uganda it is one party that functions; it is hard
to speak on radio, let along organise a rally, outside election time in
rural Uganda when you are from the opposition. The NRM which began
wanting to bring the gap between the urban and the rural has cut off the
rural from urban; we are back to the colonial model.
But what stops the opposition from establishing themselves in rural areas?
Once the
elections are over, no opposition party has managed a sustained presence
in rural areas. Even if it tries to do so, the state structure is
determined to keep the opposition out of the rural areas. But the
opposition has not tried. The dilemma of the opposition is not simply in
Uganda; it is also the dilemma of the opposition in other African
countries. They seem to have reached a conclusion that instead of the
hard work of organising the rural communities, they can go for a soft
alternative. Today, the opposition in Uganda calls on donors to support
the removal of Museveni. The problem is that Museveni has also
understood this. His response has been to make himself indispensable to
the American War on Terror in the region. So the State department can
say everything it wants to about the democratic deficit of the Uganda
government but the CIA and the Department of Defence and the White House
will not go along with the State department.